Fans may want to consider who they want to see on the throne and how it could impact Skyrim's future when picking a side. Even more significant than this is the long-term effects of Skyrim 's civil war.
In the event of a Stormcloak victory, Skyrim more than likely becomes independent, freeing itself from the influence of the Empire and the Thalmor. This has the potential of bringing an all-out war to Skyrim, as the Thalmor and their allies within the Empire may try to bring the province back under their command. While victory for the Imperials is likely to bring more peace and stability to the land, Skyrim would remain under the influence of the corrupt Thalmor.
There's a strong possibility that Elder Scrolls 6 could address the impact either victory has over the province of Skyrim and the empire as a whole, but as of right now nothing has been confirmed. Even if the Empire restores order in Skyrim, it'll be a tenuous peace at best. The banishment of Talos worship isn't something the Nords are ever going to find themselves entirely on board with. So long as it remains in effect, pockets of resistance, if not further rebellions, will continue to plague Skyrim and steadily drain the Empire's dwindling resources.
The Stormcloaks see the White-Gold Concordat as an unforgivable affront, if not an outright betrayal of everything the Empire should stand for. While they're not far off base, they fail to see the reasoning behind why this treaty needed to be accepted. Continued conflict with the Aldmeri Dominion would've seen the Empire ground to dust. Acceptance of the treaty, at the very least, gives them time to consolidate and rebuild their forces to a point where they could successfully resist further incursions.
The White-Gold Concordat, while clearly devised to further divide the Empire, was a necessary evil to ensure its continued existence. If the Stormcloaks had their way, they would've fought the Aldmeri to a point that assured their own destruction.
This is somewhat peculiar, given the commonalities between Nords and Imperials. They undoubtedly share a common ancestry and worship what are generally the very same deities.
However, the cultural divide is vast enough to create a sort of alienation that puts them at odds with one another domestically. One good example is provided by Jarl Balgruuf's Imperial steward, Proventus, when describes the Nordic lore surrounding the Dragonborn as nonsense.
Another is given by General Tullius when he expresses misgivings concerning the Nordic sense of honor during a conversation with Legate Rikke. Put simply, Skyrim has fought, bled, and generally been a part of the Empire for hundreds of years. So sure, you may be wondering which is the best to choose and what are the differences?
Here we take you through our Stormcloaks or Imperials pros and cons! In the state that Skyrim is in when you enter the game, the Imperials are those currently running the Empire. This includes the outlawing of Talos Worship. The Imperials, who have dominance over Tamriel, believe that as a province of the Empire, Skyrim should abide by its Laws and Customs. The Stormcloaks disagree. Jarls and Skyrim Leaders were given chests of gold as an incentive to support the White-Gold Concordat. Skyrim was in no state to fight the well-equipped, well-funded, and well-trained High Elves.
The Imperials only wanted to keep Tamriel at peace. They were unfortunately forced to abolish the worship of Talos in the process. They felt that they had to in order to prevent more deaths and a more damaging and lengthy war. Then the Imperials with a weakened Skyrim from Civil War, High Rock and Cyrodiil can surely obliterate the Aldmeri Army hinted to have gathered at the borders of Cyrodiil after that and fight their way into Alinor without help of Numidium.
Do you mean that Bethesda has the tendency to canonise every event rather than option, id est, if the player in Oblivion chose not to do the Mages Guild questline the events still occurred? If that's what you mean then I agree, though I still think it's irrelevant to the discussion since we are talking about probability given what we currently know, not a what is likely to be apparent from a metatextual perspective.
You analysis continues to be almost completely metatextual from my interpretation. Progress in the war doesn't occur as a factor of gameplay, that's not what were are discussing. Say we took the situation and separated it from any developmental decision, don't you concede that someone has to win, assuming the Dragonborn is not involved? If so, then I argue that the Imperials have a significant advantage in winning and are likely to do so. You haven't referred or otherwise debunked any of the claims I previously made on why the Imperials have a strong advantage even from just a geostrategic perspective.
You only say that they are " unsubstantial ". I want to know why. Like I said, I really don't care about your personal or occupational experiences. It's off-topic and not relevant to any argument that is being made. I never said or implied that it's something your not allowed to talk about, just that it's strange to bring it up out of the blue when it has no bearing on the debate.
Your concession is extremely vague and unconvincing. That being said it sounds like you think that's what I want to hear. It's not, I would rather you stick to your convictions.
Additionally, you've made some extremely hyperbolic interpretations of my text. I think that, without intervention by the writers metatextual intervention or by the player, the Imperials are most likely to win by a strong margin.
I didn't say, however that the Empire would be able to defeat the Dominion in a new Great War because, I would agree, there is not enough information to make an accurate prediction on since, as you have pointed out, we don't know the strength of the Dominion or to what level the Empire is prepared for such a war outside of Skyrim. Guys, keep this discussion civil and on topic. If this argument degenerates any further, this thread will be locked.
Despite posting here since April , he's shown no interest in civil debate, and the only reason he's here is apparently to hypocritically accuse others of replying to him even though this is clearly a public thread. If anyone else wants to continue in this thread, I'm up for it. Otherwise, I'd say this has run its course. Even better, accept the truth that everything revealed about the Civil War has been deliberately left vague.
There's no strawmen here. Just your misinterpretation of what I said. Considering you quote my comments and replied to what I said without really looking at the actual points I made. I am very sure you were actively replying to me and now you are the one hypocritically lying about me accusing "others" of replying to me when you did reply to me.
Now you want to exclude me from a topic because I simply don't buy any of your "because you think the Empire had this and this and this etc If you want to block me, don't want to talk to me.
Make sure you are able to do what you say you want to do. Rather than relying on Moderators to punish anyone who says what you don't like to see in the comments section. Explore Wikis Community Central. Register Don't have an account? Elder Scrolls Explore. Elder Scrolls Online. Events Characters Factions Locations Concepts. There's nothing too complicated or belligerent in my statements. Empire IS exactly like spoiled milk scheduled to be thrown away and you are now trying to deny the fact that the Milk called Imperials is spoiled milk when on its bottle says Expired by July 12 While constantly trying to draw people's attention on the Stormcloak Milk that says on its bottle expired by June Busiao No Laughs wrote: All I am saying is: There's not as much information to make any concise conclusion to how the Civil War will play out as you might want to believe in.
Busiao No Laughs wrote: There is nothing wrong with that. Busiao No Laughs wrote: What Tullius said in diplomatic immunity holds more weight than you want to believe. Busiao No Laughs wrote: You don't see why I used spoiled milk analogy for Stormcloaks and Imperials because you are not on the same page as me. Busiao No Laughs wrote: My message and point has been. Busiao No Laughs wrote: There's nothing too […] belligerent in my statements.
The first time I talked about this is What is factual from my perspective is not the same as yours. I choose to stay neutral while often talking about mean things I'd do to the characters in game for my pleasure 2.
This is what I'm going to add, why I don't talk about after the events of skyrim is because there is not enough information 3. Busiao No Laughs wrote: I am never the victim. Though you will flip out again and try to justify the Empire will surely prevail or that I can't know for sure, yes I am well-awared [sic] that AD having better chances based on what has transpire is not confirmation.
Busiao No Laughs wrote: I am not attempting to fix anything. Busiao No Laughs wrote: Then I get badgered because you saw something you don't like.
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